Why don't wizzies have power drains?

[Mystild]

<DIV>Both enchanter classes, troubadors, and WARLOCKS get power drains. Warlocks have overall better DPS than wizards, and wizards are elemental based while warlocks are poison / disease based. I don't understand why warlocks would get power drains from disease / poison spells when wizards are more arcane and don't even get them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mystildur of the Shard</DIV> <DIV>50 Wizard of Lavastorm</DIV>

[Skua]

class balanced my friend ....

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Mystildur wrote:<div>Both enchanter classes, troubadors, and WARLOCKS get power drains. Warlocks have overall better DPS than wizards, and wizards are elemental based while warlocks are poison / disease based. I don't understand why warlocks would get power drains from disease / poison spells when wizards are more arcane and don't even get them.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Mystildur of the Shard</div> <div>50 Wizard of Lavastorm</div><hr></blockquote> Last time I checked I didn't see an enchanter doing 200dps either?  And warlock gets a semi-cool one...drains 250power?  That's not much and you can't use it but once a minute.</span><div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Because WIZ SUCK</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE=HATE WIZARDS</DIV>

[Tanit]

I'd love to have power drain spell, but you cant have it all. <div></div>

[Erow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mystildur wrote:<BR> <DIV>Both enchanter classes, troubadors, and WARLOCKS get power drains. Warlocks have overall better DPS than wizards, and wizards are elemental based while warlocks are poison / disease based. I don't understand why warlocks would get power drains from disease / poison spells when wizards are more arcane and don't even get them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mystildur of the Shard</DIV> <DIV>50 Wizard of Lavastorm</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Unfortunatly, complaining about something thats not entirely true or have a trade-off gets you nowhere.  <EM>Wizlocks </EM>sem to be a common class everyone wants to play, but again they don't exsist.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Warlocks power drain is a GROUP BUFF. Thier other power drain is a TANK buff. So you see it's to augment the party slightly...   kinda like your Evac is for the group and not just for yourself. You also have Harvest...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Whats your excuse for an Enchanter for having them... and Traoub ..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>What else are you Wizzy's going to complain about next. Instead of looking at every other class out thier and complaining I have not seen 1 single solid thread Heralding the Wizards biggest concern... power usage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Why not simply start your own thread <STRONG>without using any other classes as a benchmark</STRONG> and speak to SOE and prove to them that Wizards need a 25% redux of power cost on Ice Comet, Ball of Flames, Ball of FIre & Immoliation...??  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Quit cirppleing yourself with BS that other classes outdamage or out DPS you... it is NOT TRUE.  Only when you run out of mana does your DPS drop.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Erowid on <SPAN class=date_text>04-03-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:56 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Erowid on <span class=date_text>04-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:58 PM</span>

[Mystild]

Excuse me.. but I'm a 50 wizzy, and I'm not complaining about power cost. And also, you're wrong about warlocks drains being group buffs; many of them are nukes. How do I know this? One of my good friends in the game is a 50 warlock. And warlocks DO out DPS us, I've parsed it many times. Obviously you havn't.

[Erow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mystildur wrote:<BR> Excuse me.. but I'm a 50 wizzy, and I'm not complaining about power cost. And also, you're wrong about warlocks drains being group buffs; many of them are nukes. How do I know this? One of my good friends in the game is a 50 warlock. And warlocks DO out DPS us, I've parsed it many times. Obviously you havn't.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Your excused...   Warlocks spells are poison and Disease based, our 2 main nukes have a change to power-tap the mob, causing the spells cost to be less. Thus when they do go off, Warlocks are mana efficient wich allows for persistant DPS in elongated battles.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>This is not what the above person was talking about...  he made reference to Enchanters and Troubs.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Parsing when a fight begins verses when you actually engage and do dmg is another thing....  /csm can only acuratly parse DPS when your solo... and that title goes to Wizards.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Warlocks only have 2 Nukes.... (again) and those are currently on the same timer. Dark Distortion & Nil Distortion.  We have to give up our lvl 30 Training spells for added DPS and again at lvl 40... when there are greater utility spells to be had... specially for groups.  Some, but not all Warlocks go with the added nuke.  Wizards can run threw 4 main nukes without waiting... and more with Westfend's Icicle sphere. Ball of Fire and Ball of Flames aren't on the same timer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>If all your nukes are (adept 3) and the Warlock's 2 spells are (adept 3) ... then have the DPS shootout. We have (if you choose BSS @ lvl 30) only 2 nukes... and rely on seconday stun + DD's for added dmg. Devastation cannot be used in 80% of the pulls due to it's AE effect.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Burn your mana... your DPS will go up.  Problem is most Wizzy's cherish their mana during battle and don't dump.....  oh but when they do it's insane.  Do you dissagree ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mystild]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Erowid wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#33ccff>Your excused...   Warlocks spells are poison and Disease based, our 2 main nukes have a change to power-tap the mob, causing the spells cost to be less. Thus when they do go off, Warlocks are mana efficient wich allows for persistant DPS in elongated battles.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>This is not what the above person was talking about...  he made reference to Enchanters and Troubs.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Parsing when a fight begins verses when you actually engage and do dmg is another thing....  /csm can only acuratly parse DPS when your solo... and that title goes to Wizards.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Warlocks only have 2 Nukes.... (again) and those are currently on the same timer. Dark Distortion & Nil Distortion.  We have to give up our lvl 30 Training spells for added DPS and again at lvl 40... when there are greater utility spells to be had... specially for groups.  Some, but not all Warlocks go with the added nuke.  Wizards can run threw 4 main nukes without waiting... and more with Westfend's Icicle sphere. Ball of Fire and Ball of Flames aren't on the same timer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>If all your nukes are (adept 3) and the Warlock's 2 spells are (adept 3) ... then have the DPS shootout. We have (if you choose BSS @ lvl 30) only 2 nukes... and rely on seconday stun + DD's for added dmg. Devastation cannot be used in 80% of the pulls due to it's AE effect.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Burn your mana... your DPS will go up.  Problem is most Wizzy's cherish their mana during battle and don't dump.....  oh but when they do it's insane.  Do you dissagree ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Okay. Maybe I shouldn't have made a reference to enchanters and troubs. But, when people think warlocks and wizzies should be "equal but opposite," I don't see how one can get drains as part of a nuke, which effectively lowers the power cost of the spell. I really only have three, maybe four big nuke spells which I use. One is Immolation, a few-second DoT that does around 1400 damage... the second is Ice Comet.. and the third is Ball of Flames. If I'm really trying to burn something down, I'll do an HO between Ice Flame and Ball of Flames. Ball of Fire isn't that great for this because the casting time is a bit too long for my liking... but, when I've parsed in longer fighters with a warlock friend of mine, really using everything I've got, he still beats me.</DIV><BR></DIV>

[Lady Uaelr]

<P>Warlocks are way more powerful hands down.</P> <P> </P> <P>I am 43 wiz all ad 1 and was with 39 Warlock.  Warlock went through lev 39 and 40 mobs of solo lizzards in feerrott like nothing. They were dropping all over the place without touching him. I tried but roots break and immoliation not enough so I have to hit ball of flames and anything else. At this point mob has hit me quite a few times and interrupted my casting.</P> <P>Wiz and Warlock should be equal. Warlock should not be nerfed...wiz just need to be on same level.</P> <P> </P> <P>That is the truth. Nil Distortion ad3= 1800 IS what the warlock said and it has a pretty good recast.</P> <P>SOE HATES WIZARDS.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[roarfrost]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Erowid wrote: <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>If all your nukes are (adept 3) and the Warlock's 2 spells are (adept 3) ... then have the DPS shootout. </FONT><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Dude, the "dps shootout" has been done dozens of times by many different people with different agendas and using different parsers. There is no question that the warlock wins through almost all levels, except sometimes at lvl 50 against non-epic mobs.<BR> <DIV> </DIV>

[Pencilmonk]

<DIV>Uaelrea....sadly, in this particular forum Ive seen so many of your posts a pattern begins to emerge...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You've been threatening to quit, reroll, etc. forever now. Things according to your posts have not improved and SOE still hates wizards...</DIV> <DIV>So why do you yet remain? It cant be just because of how much time it took to take you to 43....that's not a saving grace. Thats akin to the 'the food sucks in this restauraunt, but they do give such large portions' philosophy. Or, are you such a glutton for punishment that despite having no hope for the class or the devs, you keep playing and playing and playing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love playing a wiz....so far that hasn't changed from level 1-29 and I don't see it changing afterwards....its just that I enjoy the class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Give the devs time....Im by no means a fanboy, I thinks things could be radically improved. But, based on past patches and fixes, I'm pretty confident that we'll ghet there. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But, I don't expect that you'll change your SOE hates wizards. Youve done it in lower case, upper case and huge colored letters. Yeah, we get it. Just keep being that ray of sunshine.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Erow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <P>Warlocks are way more powerful hands down.</P> <P> </P> <P>I am 43 wiz all ad 1 and was with 39 Warlock.  Warlock went through lev 39 and 40 mobs of solo lizzards in feerrott like nothing. They were dropping all over the place without touching him. <STRONG>I tried but roots break</STRONG> and immoliation not enough so I have to hit ball of flames and anything else. At this point mob has hit me quite a few times and interrupted my casting.</P> <P>Wiz and Warlock should be equal. Warlock should not be nerfed...wiz just need to be on same level.</P> <P> </P> <P>That is the truth. Nil Distortion ad3= 1800 IS what the warlock said and it has a pretty good recast.</P> <P>SOE HATES WIZARDS.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#33ccff>I use my sorcerer root... not my Warlock root.... which you get aswell.  Might want to try an upgrade your spells once in a while...</FONT><BR>

[Erow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roarfrost wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Erowid wrote: <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>If all your nukes are (adept 3) and the Warlock's 2 spells are (adept 3) ... then have the DPS shootout. </FONT><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Dude, the "dps shootout" has been done dozens of times by many different people with different agendas and using different parsers. There is no question that the warlock wins through almost all levels, except sometimes at lvl 50 against non-epic mobs.<BR> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>I know... i've been right in the middle of the debate...  If a Wizard uses all his available spells he can outdamage..out DPS a warlock until he is OOM.  Unfortunatly... most wizards are conservative with their mana...  and @ lvl 50 it's moot  we are basically 2 specialists in different feields.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Don't assume.... it will get you in trouble.  Wizzy's tend to forget about some of their smaller spells.... that can be casted while Warlocks are waiting for a refresh on their timers.  We get 2 nukes...!!  And because of that we get one at an earlier stage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>