High Level Wizard Raiders & Ice Comet

[Admh]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Hey Wizards!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>It's been a concern of mine that Ice Comet may be bugged. I'm not sure if it's just me cuz I'm the only active lvl 50 wizard raider in my server.  Anyway, when I cast the spell, I could never see a message saying if it got resisted or if it hit for xxxdamage. This happens on grpx4 mobs always. My Ball of Flames, Immolation and Flamestrike are landing easily. So are my Piercing Icicles, Icy Coil and the rest.. I'm just a little down because my most powerful nuke gets resisted by these mobs yet my pre-tier 5 nukes are landing :smileysad:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV>

[Arkanj]

<DIV>Yeah I've posted about this before.  I'm not sure what's up with it, devs don't seem to be responding at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It doesn't happen on every group x4 but I'd have to say about 80% of them I've fought it just... doesn't work.  Sucks to fight a brand new mob and be like "ok at 70% I'll cast an Ice Comet I don't wanna get aggro!!!!" only to cast it at 70% and have nothing happen.  Not a resist, not an immune message, just nothing.  Your target is "struck by a comet of ice!" and no damage comes up.</DIV>

[MasterMerl]

I like the 45 second casting though, it really is great. Especially when you get resisted. That's the awesome part.

[Rigormortises]

Same problem, doesn't say it gets resisted or nothing... just casts and thats it... heh

[Everbelg]

Same here. It's very common on raid mobs. I either get a resist message, or the message that says that an Ice Comet was called down upon my target, and no information about the damage. There is also no damage number "popping up" above the target, nor any difference made it the health of the target. The spell just doesn't do anything at all to those targets.

[Tamil]

<DIV>/agree</DIV>

[Admh]

<DIV>Quite honestly.. Increasing Ice Comet's damage by over 250% isn't an upgrade but a curse. I can pull off *almost* any mob off a guardian @ 40% hp with the guardian having adp3 taunts :smileysad: We may be given an eye candy spell but the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing kills me and it's bugged. </DIV>

[Twins]

<DIV>What I notice is that some of the raid mobs are resistant to fire, and some to ice. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example, there was a mob that Ice Comet could not touch, as you guys have said, and the ice spear spell also didn't work. Fire spells worked fine. Also intresting, is that the ice dots worked fine on them as well. I guess they aren't really considered "ice" spells or something.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Other monsters are fire resistant, but they are much more rare. In those cases, it's better to use the ice spear insted of Ball of Fire, and Ice Comet will be your main source of damage. Also Immolation will hit for 100-200 intead of 400-500 a tick. Ball of Flames will hit for minimal damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For these reasons, I think the ice spear is a pretty good training choice. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for drawing aggro with Ice Comet, it's a fine line. I've died a few times on raids because I draw too much aggro. You just got to be carful about it. Don't cast Ice Comet unless you're confident that the mob won't turn on you. Sometimes it's hard. I still die less often than my assasin buddy, at least.</DIV>

[Scrubbl]

<DIV>Maybe it has to do with how screwed up resist are atm. A tank can hit a orange and red con mob, us mages resist on them 80% of the time. </DIV>

[killzo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Hey Wizards!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>It's been a concern of mine that Ice Comet may be bugged. I'm not sure if it's just me cuz I'm the only active lvl 50 wizard raider in my server.  Anyway, when I cast the spell, I could never see a message saying if it got resisted or if it hit for xxxdamage. This happens on grpx4 mobs always. My Ball of Flames, Immolation and Flamestrike are landing easily. So are my Piercing Icicles, Icy Coil and the rest.. I'm just a little down because my most powerful nuke gets resisted by these mobs yet my pre-tier 5 nukes are landing :smileysad:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> It depends which raid mob you are fighting.  For example King xxxx (I don't remember his name) in everfrost is Immune to Ice based spells.  If you cast Ice Comet or Westfend's you will see Immune pop over it's head.  I didn't check my log but I bet it won't say resisted or anything.

[Utar]

<DIV>Hmm I raid basicly Every night and I've always gotten a message be it Immune, Resisted or dmg every time I've casted Ice Comet. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> As far as pulling Aggro yes its a fine line.  The 2nd day after we got the upgrade we did Venekor Raid.  Venekor was down to about 25% and then I had a streak of good/bad luck.  I basicly wasn't paying much attention but I did my normal run in after his AE and start casting.  I stacked up PI, Icy Wind, and Icy Coil..  Shot off an Ice comet, Immonlation, BoF , Ice Spear, ect....   Well as it turned out nothing got resisted (I Know I was shocked too)  and I did 9k dmg in 30 seconds (looking at log) needless to say Venekor ran over and wacked me.  Since then I've never pulled aggro what I normaly do now is  wait about 3 seconds cast Ice comet then wait another 3 seconds to cast anything else.  I also like to try and wait for a spell to get resisted like immolation then cast Ice comet.</DIV>

[Admh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> killzone wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Hey Wizards!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>It's been a concern of mine that Ice Comet may be bugged. I'm not sure if it's just me cuz I'm the only active lvl 50 wizard raider in my server.  Anyway, when I cast the spell, I could never see a message saying if it got resisted or if it hit for xxxdamage. This happens on grpx4 mobs always. My Ball of Flames, Immolation and Flamestrike are landing easily. So are my Piercing Icicles, Icy Coil and the rest.. I'm just a little down because my most powerful nuke gets resisted by these mobs yet my pre-tier 5 nukes are landing :smileysad:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> It depends which raid mob you are fighting.  For example King xxxx (I don't remember his name) in everfrost is Immune to Ice based spells.  If you cast Ice Comet or Westfend's you will see Immune pop over it's head.  I didn't check my log but I bet it won't say resisted or anything.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Hey.. read up top! I don't care if I get a resist message. If i get it, Fine.. I missed.. My point is that I don't get a message at all. I see an emote saying I summon ice comet to hit the target. But i can't determine whether it got resisted or it took the damage. :smileymad:</P> <P>As for Westfiends, I get a msg saying it got resisted, hence i'm not complaining about that issue.</P>

[Arkanj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> killzone wrote:<BR><BR> It depends which raid mob you are fighting.  For example King xxxx (I don't remember his name) in everfrost is Immune to Ice based spells.  If you cast Ice Comet or Westfend's you will see Immune pop over it's head.  I didn't check my log but I bet it won't say resisted or anything.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It makes sense that the king in everfrost (the pushover that he is!) would be immune to Ice Comet.  He's an Ice mob, that's fine and dandy... but when you cast Ice Comet on many OTHER mobs (who are not ice based) one of two things happen:</P> <P>1) Your ice comet is resisted</P> <P>2) Your ice comet is not resisted, the spell goes off (costing you mana) and you get a "XXX is struck by a comet of ice!" or whatever.  No damage, no immunity message.  Nothing.  This happens on a LOT of raid mobs.</P> <P>Like a previous poster said, our ice DoT spells hit just fine.  I haven't tested Westfend's on a lot of these mobs, but I will tonight and see if it really is an "ice based" spell issue.  If it IS an issue with that... well... some mobs who are resistant to ice need to be changed because it makes no sense that they be that way.</P>

[killzo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> killzone wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>Hey Wizards!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>It's been a concern of mine that Ice Comet may be bugged. I'm not sure if it's just me cuz I'm the only active lvl 50 wizard raider in my server.  Anyway, when I cast the spell, I could never see a message saying if it got resisted or if it hit for xxxdamage. This happens on grpx4 mobs always. My Ball of Flames, Immolation and Flamestrike are landing easily. So are my Piercing Icicles, Icy Coil and the rest.. I'm just a little down because my most powerful nuke gets resisted by these mobs yet my pre-tier 5 nukes are landing :smileysad:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99></FONT> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> It depends which raid mob you are fighting.  For example King xxxx (I don't remember his name) in everfrost is Immune to Ice based spells.  If you cast Ice Comet or Westfend's you will see Immune pop over it's head.  I didn't check my log but I bet it won't say resisted or anything.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Hey.. read up top! I don't care if I get a resist message. If i get it, Fine.. I missed.. My point is that I don't get a message at all. I see an emote saying I summon ice comet to hit the target. But i can't determine whether it got resisted or it took the damage. :smileymad:</P> <P>As for Westfiends, I get a msg saying it got resisted, hence i'm not complaining about that issue.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> That never happened to me.  I see on top of the mob's head "immune"  I didn't bother to check the log to see what it says (if anything) there.  I was merely suggesting that perhaps if it is immune you don't see anything in the log.

[killzo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arkanjul wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> killzone wrote:<BR><BR> It depends which raid mob you are fighting.  For example King xxxx (I don't remember his name) in everfrost is Immune to Ice based spells.  If you cast Ice Comet or Westfend's you will see Immune pop over it's head.  I didn't check my log but I bet it won't say resisted or anything.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It makes sense that the king in everfrost (the pushover that he is!) would be immune to Ice Comet.  He's an Ice mob, that's fine and dandy... but when you cast Ice Comet on many OTHER mobs (who are not ice based) one of two things happen:</P> <P>1) Your ice comet is resisted</P> <P>2) Your ice comet is not resisted, the spell goes off (costing you mana) and you get a "XXX is struck by a comet of ice!" or whatever.  No damage, no immunity message.  Nothing.  This happens on a LOT of raid mobs.</P> <P>Like a previous poster said, our ice DoT spells hit just fine.  I haven't tested Westfend's on a lot of these mobs, but I will tonight and see if it really is an "ice based" spell issue.  If it IS an issue with that... well... some mobs who are resistant to ice need to be changed because it makes no sense that they be that way.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> I don't dissagree.  In fact if they are going to make raid mobs immune to our spells, they should give us some other level 50 alternative spells to use.  The melee classes can switch out weapon types and still do damage if a mob is immune to what they were previously using.  For us there is no alternative to ice comet.

[Admh]

<DIV>bah here's a log.. i copied the one i posted at the abilities and skills section of the forums.. anyway here it is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff99>1109565152)[Sun Feb 27 23:32:32 2005] You call an ice comet down on Rosstam!<BR>(1109565152)[Sun Feb 27 23:32:32 2005] A fettered guardian is struck down by an ice comet!<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff9966>(1109565152)[Sun Feb 27 23:32:32 2005] a fettered guardian tries to crush Rosstam, but Rosstam blocks.<BR>(1109565152)[Sun Feb 27 23:32:32 2005] a fettered guardian hits Magank for 66 points of crushing damage.<BR></FONT> <DIV>(<FONT color=#ffff99>1109565275)[Sun Feb 27 23:34:35 2005] You call an ice comet down on Rosstam!<BR>(1109565275)[Sun Feb 27 23:34:35 2005] A fettered guardian is struck down by an ice comet!<BR></FONT>(<FONT color=#ff9933>1109565276)[Sun Feb 27 23:34:36 2005] Kaycee tries to pierce a fettered guardian, but misses.<BR>(1109565276)[Sun Feb 27 23:34:36 2005] Kaycee hits a fettered guardian for 30 points of slashing damage.<BR>(1109565276)[Sun Feb 27 23:34:36 2005] Magank hits a fettered guardian for 64 points of slashing damage.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9933></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9933></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>Looking at these logs.. Mind you I am nuking a lvl 49 grpx4 ^^^ @ one of the Drakota's Lair for the Prismatic Weapon Quests... and read the text below mob has been struck down by an ice comet!... Where's my damage? did my nuke get resisted? No..!! I wasted [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] near 300 mana for that spell and I can't even get a message I got resisted. This needs to be fixed...</FONT></DIV></DIV>

[Fyr]

I have exactly the same problem.I noticed something strange on the lich boss in antonica raid instance :Most of the times I get no message at all, sometimes I get a resist message, and rarely I get a hit message.This is not linked to some mobs having high resist to cold, what happens in that case is that you get half or less the normal damage.This is a serious issue that greatly affect Wizard DPS against ^^^ mobs, so devs please fix this !<p>Message Edited by OxyKent on <span class=date_text>03-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:23 PM</span>

[Arkanj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OxyKent wrote:<BR>I have exactly the same problem.<BR>I noticed something strange on the lich boss in antonica raid instance :<BR>Most of the times I get no message at all, sometimes I get a resist message, and rarely I get a hit message.<BR>This is not linked to some mobs having high resist to cold, what happens in that case is that you get half or less the normal damage.<BR>This is a serious issue that greatly affect Wizard DPS against ^^^ mobs, so devs please fix this ! <P>Message Edited by OxyKent on <SPAN class=date_text>03-01-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:23 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Either fix it or let us know that this = caster immunity, in which case, our guilds shouldn't bring us along for these raids if a Warlock or someone else wants to come.</DIV>

[Devious Po]

<DIV>/aye  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>plus fix the resists to atleast be on the con system as fizzles........   oh and fix adeptIII's + masters for every class.   </DIV>

[Devious Po]

<DIV>oh and shorter cast time, and less power consumption...   just alittle tweak to those though.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>post count +1 4 meh.</DIV>

[Han]

Umm question, is Icy Comet a AE attack? If its a single point nuke, why is the text saying its calling it down on Rosstam, yet the fettered guardian has the emote text... If that's so, try direct targetting the mob instead of targetting a player and going for his targetMaybe thats a bandaid fix but it may work.

[TunaBoo]

I would just like to point out what I can offer..as a melee most raid mobs are immune to 1 type of melee damage. 100% immune. So say I walk up to a slash immune and try to slash. My combat log says NOTHING. Not that I was resisted. Not that I attacked, not that I did 0 damage.. NOTHING. The only way to know he is slash immune is toa) Look for lots of immunes over his head and figure out they are mineb) Notice that my auto attack is on, yet I am getting no messages.IMHO this is more a problem with immune not showing up in combat logs, rather then ice commet really being broken. I say this because tons of high end raid mobs are ice related, so I am not suprised they are immune to an ice attack. But my suggestion is after shooting 2 ice commets off you don't see damage or anything, assume it is cold immune and inform /r, and move on to fire attacks.

[Admh]

<DIV>It's calling down on Rosstam because I had him targeted as secondary assist. During this raid the MA was on the main mob while the secondary tank was on the adds. If i target the Main assist, it will always emote that I am calling Ice comet upon him, then the damage or resist would automatically hit the mob he is attacking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for Cold Immunities, I don't see a problem using Icy Coil, Piercing Icicles, Ice Spike and Westfiends on the mob. They all either land or get resisted. Ice Comet on the other hand, has no message saying it got resisted or it dealt xxamount of damage. *sigh* i feel like a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] tape recorder :smileymad:</DIV>

[Tyrant Invict]

<DIV>They either land or get resisted?  That means the mob isn't immune.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>According to ongaming  Ice Comet isn't an ice based spell.  It's magic based with a chance at a fire based DoT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>All they are saying is look above the mobs head when you cast.  If the word "IMMUNE" floats off, assume it's you, because you won't get any other indication.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But if even that isn't showing up, as the next post indicates, then yes there is a bug of some sort.  I'd be willing to bet the mob is immune, it just isn't floating off the mob.</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Tyrant Invictus on <span class=date_text>03-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 AM</span>

[slard2]

I've had this same problem. Casting ice comet on a raid mob does nothing. No messages. No immunity. Just doesn't work. Of course, all that mana goes bye bye.I was fighting the minions near Arch Lich when I first started to toy with this. Have any of you guys noticed that this behaves differently with Combat XP disabled?When I was experiencing this during our Arch Lich raid, I was trying to think what was different. The only thing that was different was that I had combat experience disabled. So I did the following:-Nuked with IC... nothing.-Re-enabled comabat xp.-Nuked with IC... damage inflicted.-Disabled combat xp.-Nuked with IC... nothing.-Re-enabled combat xp.-Nuked with IC... damage inflicted.Now, I know that sounds really hooky, and I'm certainly willing to say that the two aren't related, but it seemed like a really odd coincidence.It does seem that it only works on the epic mobs, however. To further test the combat xp thing, after the raid, when we zoned back into Antonica, I tried it on several yard trash mobs both enabled and disabled, but IC landed every time. (Or at least the level 12 gnoll had the courtesy to tell me he resisted.)On the epic mobs, however... there was never any message. It was just as everyone has said... IC simply wasn't doing anything.Added note: Just as others have said, I don't experience this with other spells, ice or fire based.Added another note: My IC is Adept 3, in case anyone is wondering if that may be making a difference.-rastaoun50 wizAscendance - www.ascendanceguild.comNeriak Server<p>Message Edited by slard271 on <span class=date_text>03-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:06 AM</span><p>Message Edited by slard271 on <span class=date_text>03-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:08 AM</span>

[Admh]

<DIV>Nuff said! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/176/176397/folders/183430/1457204ice.jpg"></DIV>

[LordNic]

<DIV>Did some parsing on a few raid kills last night, Rognog the Anglar, Arch Lich Udalan and King Zalak the Ancient. I never got any message on any mob that confirmed a hit, resist or immune. But the parser shows that I did hit them 25-75% of the times with Ice Comet (adept 3). Asked the other two lvl 50 wizards in the raid, and one of them said he saw "resisted" messaged as well as damage number on these mobs. </DIV>

[papabear0]

<DIV>rognog the angler, you can hit with ice comet.  king zalak, i could never hit him with any of my big nukes.  like the OP wrote, theres some raid mobs that you can cast but theres no mesages of any kind.  no immune, no resist, no damage, no anything, just says you cast and hit.</DIV>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>More good news...This is what I have to look foward to?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>

[Fyr]

I noticed another strange things last night :The no-damage-ice-comet DOES validate the "star" in HO like Arcane Salvation, even if you don't get damage message, it seems the spell does indeed hit the target.