Ball of Flames and Ice Comet

[Admh]

<DIV>Hey guys! I got a noob question.. Are Ball of flames and ice comet on the same timer? I'm just wondering cuz I have an opal and a ruby. If they are on the same timer, i'll probably turn that opal into Immolation adept3 instead of ball of flames adept3. Thanks.</DIV>

[-MaiLMa]

Im not lvl 50 yet but I am 99% sure they are on the same timer

[papabear0]

<DIV>they are on diff timers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BoF is 12sec recast, ice comet is 18sec recast</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BoF adept 3 does up to 960+ and comet app 2 does 1000+ for me, depending on debuffs and lvl of mobs, etc.</DIV><p>Message Edited by papabear005 on <span class=date_text>01-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:29 PM</span>

[Stavenh]

<DIV>For a short time, some spells that had thier timers linked. This was a mistake which has since been corrected. No regular spell has it's timer linked to another regular spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Every ten levels, starting at level 10, you get offered one of four abilities to train to make better (it's at adept 2 level). The spell it upgrades is linked with the ability. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So Westfends at level 30, is an adept 2 upgrade to Ball of Fire, and they have thier timers linked. </DIV>

[sglant]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> No regular spell has it's timer linked to another regular spell.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Sorry, but thats false (at least for me).</DIV> <DIV>Ball of Fire and Ball of Flames are on the same timer.... sucks too..   = (</DIV>

[Stavenh]

<DIV>Ball of Fire and Ball of Flames should not be on the same timer, according to Moorgard and all the other devs. If it is, its a bug and you should report it. It is NOT meant to be like that. Linked Timers are meant for training upgrade spells. That is all.</DIV>

[Reev]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ball of Fire and Ball of Flames should not be on the same timer, according to Moorgard and all the other devs. If it is, its a bug and you should report it. It is NOT meant to be like that. Linked Timers are meant for training upgrade spells. That is all.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> No, I don't think so.  I mean, I know that's what he said, but Ball of Fire and Ball of Flames I think have always been on the same timer.  Just like every class gets things at a later lvl on the same timer.  I think what Moorgard meant is that all the things that were originally there before they put in the training are all working as they were, instead of being botched up after the patch.  So all the spells that were linked pre-patch will still be linked.  Though I could be wrong <shrug>

[Arkanj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hey guys! I got a noob question.. Are Ball of flames and ice comet on the same timer? I'm just wondering cuz I have an opal and a ruby. If they are on the same timer, i'll probably turn that opal into Immolation adept3 instead of ball of flames adept3. Thanks.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> They aren't on the same timer.  Get both Immolation and Ball of Flames for Adept 3, since you'll use Immolation at 50 as well (we don't get an upgrade after level 39).

[Admh]

<DIV>awesome! thanks for the info guys.. i'm just looking forward to upgrading my self the right way :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Devious Po]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> papabear005 wrote:<BR> <DIV>they are on diff timers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BoF is 12sec recast, ice comet is 18sec recast</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BoF adept 3 does up to 960+ and comet app 2 does 1000+ for me, depending on debuffs and lvl of mobs, etc.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by papabear005 on <SPAN class=date_text>01-21-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:29 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>what debuffs are you using, and what lvl are they at where your app2 ice comet hits for over 1000?  <BR>

[papabear0]

<DIV>depends on the mobs, mostly i use our dot debuff.  if other classes debuff the mob, even better.  i had ice comet hit anywhre between 400 to bout 1040 (or somewhre around there).  you get resist sometimes also and that sucked cause of the 18 sec recast.   as far as which mob specificly, hmmmmm cant really pinpoint that for you as i dont keep track of that.  after i hit 50, all i do now is a lot of tradeskills and heritage quests (and misc quests).  i dont hunt on a reg basis anymore.</DIV>

[Devious Po]

<DIV>tis kewl, i hit for anywhere between 950-1355 w/ ice comet adept III, and between 650-950 with ball of flames adept III.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but what's the deal with scaling on adept III's i think it's broken, people that don't have the adept III are only 150 points behind my damage.   does that seem like a good scaling system?  i mean you go harvest for hours, or buy the rare and only get an extra 150 points of damage?   i think it should be more like a couple hundred atleast, if not 300-400.  i mean lets seperate the men from the boys, it's kewl if ya just want the app2 of your 50 spell, but i took the time to get an adept III made (not easy)  so i guess i would like to see a lil result from my time spent.</DIV>

[Arkanj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Devious Polo wrote:<BR> <DIV>tis kewl, i hit for anywhere between 950-1355 w/ ice comet adept III, and between 650-950 with ball of flames adept III.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but what's the deal with scaling on adept III's i think it's broken, people that don't have the adept III are only 150 points behind my damage.   does that seem like a good scaling system?  i mean you go harvest for hours, or buy the rare and only get an extra 150 points of damage?   i think it should be more like a couple hundred atleast, if not 300-400.  i mean lets seperate the men from the boys, it's kewl if ya just want the app2 of your 50 spell, but i took the time to get an adept III made (not easy)  so i guess i would like to see a lil result from my time spent.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Ice comet app2 max hit - 1030</P> <P>Ice comet adept 3 max hit - somewhere around 1400.</P> <P>That's a pretty big difference to me.  Also, since I got my ice comet adept 3 I have yet to hit for under 1000.  App2 ice comet would hit in the 600's sometimes.  I think the adept 3 upgrade for it boosts the minimum more than the maximum.</P> <P>Also one of my good friends and guildmates got Ball of Flames master 1 last night and he hits for about 1100 max with it.  From a 960ish max with adept 3 that's not such a big upgrade in maximum hit, but his minimum hit is somewhere around 750 now instead of 550.</P> <P>So currently I think upgrading spell levels has more of an impact on the minimum damage of the spell rather than the maximum.</P>

[Devious Po]

<DIV>good post, thanks for the info, you sure it might not be the lvl of the debuff that is fluxing the number?</DIV>

[Arkanj]

<blockquote><hr>Devious Polo wrote:<DIV>good post, thanks for the info, you sure it might not be the lvl of the debuff that is fluxing the number?</DIV><hr></blockquote>Both of us are using Adept I piercing icicles so I doubt it. It really seems like the spell level is upping the minimum damage by a lot more than the maximum damage.