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Old 03-19-2012, 06:04 PM   #1
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Hey folks,

I noticed there had been questions on exactly when Critical Mitigation will be removed from PvE items and Crit Bonus removed from NPCs. We have decided to push the change live with the Hotfix tomorrow.

If anything changes on this front, I'll stop in, but tomorrow's the day!

P.S. PvP Crit Mitigation will still exist on items.

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:18 PM   #2
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thanks for the update

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Thanks for the update, but its too little too late

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:33 PM   #4
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Windstalker wrote:

Hey folks,

I noticed there had been questions on exactly when Critical Mitigation will be removed from PvE items and Crit Bonus removed from NPCs. We have decided to push the change live with the Hotfix tomorrow.

If anything changes on this front, I'll stop in, but tomorrow's the day!

P.S. PvP Crit Mitigation will still exist on items.

What is the final disposition on Adornments and Gear balance?  Are Adornments going to be popped off and allowed to be traded or sold for adonments which are usefull rather than being forced into worthless 150 hps gems?  Is all the gear which is having its CM values removed going to be unattuned and rebalnced so that x2 gear is not better than x4 gear or having heroic gear being 98% as good as raid gear?

Thanks in advance,

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:54 PM   #5
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Nrgy wrote:

Windstalker wrote:

Hey folks,

I noticed there had been questions on exactly when Critical Mitigation will be removed from PvE items and Crit Bonus removed from NPCs. We have decided to push the change live with the Hotfix tomorrow.

If anything changes on this front, I'll stop in, but tomorrow's the day!

P.S. PvP Crit Mitigation will still exist on items.

What is the final disposition on Adornments and Gear balance?  Are Adornments going to be popped off and allowed to be traded or sold for adonments which are usefull rather than being forced into worthless 150 hps gems?  Is all the gear which is having its CM values removed going to be unattuned and rebalnced so that x2 gear is not better than x4 gear or having heroic gear being 98% as good as raid gear?

Thanks in advance,

^^This

HP adorns are useless on a healer, if that little HP makes a difference then I suck too much to be raiding or anything else, there are higher priorities for healers, and most every other class.

I want my raid shards back so I can make other choices and not be ticked off over this blanket solution to a complex problem that YOU created.

I never, ever would have spent my raid shards on HP adorns, and now you force them on me without my consent or approval, great morale boosting there.

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:54 PM   #6
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Nrgy wrote:

Windstalker wrote:

Hey folks,

I noticed there had been questions on exactly when Critical Mitigation will be removed from PvE items and Crit Bonus removed from NPCs. We have decided to push the change live with the Hotfix tomorrow.

If anything changes on this front, I'll stop in, but tomorrow's the day!

P.S. PvP Crit Mitigation will still exist on items.

What is the final disposition on Adornments and Gear balance?  Are Adornments going to be popped off and allowed to be traded or sold for adonments which are usefull rather than being forced into worthless 150 hps gems?  Is all the gear which is having its CM values removed going to be unattuned and rebalnced so that x2 gear is not better than x4 gear or having heroic gear being 98% as good as raid gear?

Thanks in advance,

Being as none of that has even so much as been addressed in the Testing forums by Devs, let alone patched in the 1+ month people have been discussing it, I'd say its safe to say they aren't changing a single thing else.

CM adorns going to 150 HP adorns instead, and Itemization gets screwed up even further, heh.

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Old 03-19-2012, 06:56 PM   #7
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Nrgy wrote:

What is the final disposition on Adornments and Gear balance?  Are Adornments going to be popped off and allowed to be traded or sold for adonments which are usefull rather than being forced into worthless 150 hps gems?  Is all the gear which is having its CM values removed going to be unattuned and rebalnced so that x2 gear is not better than x4 gear or having heroic gear being 98% as good as raid gear?

Thanks in advance,

Since things go to test before they go live, then no, none of the issues were addressed.

I don't really give 2 shakes about the adornment issue.

However, the itemization impact deserved atleast a response.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:02 PM   #8
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Nrgy wrote:

What is the final disposition on Adornments and Gear balance? 

One more day and you'll know for sure.

Are Adornments going to be popped off and allowed to be traded or sold for adonments which are usefull rather than being forced into worthless 150 hps gems? 

Since when are hitpoints worthless for raiders?  They could have removed it all and given ya a stick in the eye. 

Is all the gear which is having its CM values removed going to be unattuned and rebalnced so that x2 gear is not better than x4 gear or having heroic gear being 98% as good as raid gear? 

No they are not going to unattune everything so you can pass it down to your alts.  New levels, new gear.  This is not new.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:04 PM   #9
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Ryptide@Permafrost wrote:

Nrgy wrote:

Is all the gear which is having its CM values removed going to be unattuned and rebalnced so that x2 gear is not better than x4 gear or having heroic gear being 98% as good as raid gear? 

No they are not going to unattune everything so you can pass it down to your alts.  New levels, new gear.  This is not new.

OMG! .. you caught me.  Sad Panda SMILEY

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:05 PM   #10
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Are those toons who are having their AAs changed getting free respecs? I know there are at least 3 classes who are having their crit mit AAs turned into mostly useless replacements.I think the player feedback has been pretty clear that replacing crit mit with hps is NOT even close to an equitable trade. It's clear we've been ignored, to the extent that the yellow and red 'replacement' hitpoint adornments are the only yellow/red adornments in the game that are signigicantly WORSE then white adorns.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:15 PM   #11
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Why do I have the feeling CM will go away but they will forget to remove CB from NPCs?

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:19 PM   #12
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Mermut wrote:

Are those toons who are having their AAs changed getting free respecs? I know there are at least 3 classes who are having their crit mit AAs turned into mostly useless replacements.I think the player feedback has been pretty clear that replacing crit mit with hps is NOT even close to an equitable trade. It's clear we've been ignored, to the extent that the yellow and red 'replacement' hitpoint adornments are the only yellow/red adornments in the game that are signigicantly WORSE then white adorns.

The way this should be done is popping off any crit mit adorns and allow them to be sold back to the merchant for the purchase value in plat/shards. HP might be useful for some classes but for many other classes there are far better adorns available for those armor side red/yellow slots.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:26 PM   #13
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So Drunder EM becomes just as good as Kael HM tomorrow. In fact, it might be even slightly better.Kael HM Crit Bonus, Potency and INT/AGI/STA/STR/WIS will be LOWER than Drunder EM as of tomorrow, and won't have the higher crit mit to make the item better. We've been reporting this. As of tomorrow itemization gets screwed up again. This NEEDS to be addressed. Please?

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:45 PM   #14
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Mogrim wrote:

So Drunder EM becomes just as good as Kael HM tomorrow. In fact, it might be even slightly better.Kael HM Crit Bonus, Potency and INT/AGI/STA/STR/WIS will be LOWER than Drunder EM as of tomorrow, and won't have the higher crit mit to make the item better. We've been reporting this. As of tomorrow itemization gets screwed up again. This NEEDS to be addressed. Please?

You still gain the extra adorn slots as well as more patterns dropping from the DoV HM's vs the drunder EM's. In many cases the stat differences aren't really so far apart that it breaks things. Either way the HM DoV and EM drunder gear will probably all be replaced early in new raid content so I'm not sure it would be worth dev time to adjust HM DoV or EM drunder gear.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:45 PM   #15
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Mogrim wrote:

Kael HM Crit Bonus, Potency and INT/AGI/STA/STR/WIS will be LOWER than Drunder EM as of tomorrow, and won't have the higher crit mit to make the item better.

Its like SoE doesn't understand that their game, at its heart is about grinding up content difficulty for better rewards.

It wont take too much more of this for people to just quit playing.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:48 PM   #16
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Level 92 with no crit mit requirements, will make HM Drunder, a walk in the park, for most guilds.

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Old 03-19-2012, 07:52 PM   #17
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All they really need to do...+15 to all HM Kael Armor INT/STA/AGI/STA/STR like stats+.5 to all HM Kael Armor Crit Bonus and PotencyThis would put it in front of EM Drunder, behind HM Drunder, and would be a much easier process to impliment.

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Old 03-19-2012, 08:09 PM   #18
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Ryptide@Permafrost wrote:

Level 92 with no crit mit requirements, will make HM Drunder, a walk in the park, for most guilds.

By which point the ONLY thing in the whole zone worth picking up will be the Shinies... and honestly, how hard do you really want shinie farming to be

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Old 03-19-2012, 08:22 PM   #19
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There are no shinies in hard mode x4 raid zones...

Imma adorn an SF focus on my helm and then crit chance on my boots because mages have had nothing useful for boots and helm making easy mode drunder better than hardmode release. Ah well, still an increase deeps adorns for me.

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Old 03-19-2012, 09:21 PM   #20
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I don't see why they couldn't just give us a voucher for a new red rune to replace the CM one instead of sticking us with a lousy one that few will find useful.  However I'm still looking forward to this despite the inevitability of SOE screwing this up somehow.  I don't know why they even bother with test servers, they never listen to feedback.

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Old 03-19-2012, 09:41 PM   #21
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Ryptide@Permafrost wrote:

Level 92 with no crit mit requirements, will make HM Drunder, a walk in the park, for most guilds.

hardly - the strats on half the fights are no push over. you still got some real work ahead of you.

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Old 03-20-2012, 03:51 AM   #22
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Believing that removing Crit mit will fix all the woes of the guilds that can't clear harder content is a bit of a fairy tale.  Level 92 will give us a bit more, but it will by no means make the zones easier and clearable by so many more.  I will enjoy being able to add more MA, Flurry, etc to up DPS, but still expect that the mobs wull be hard.  The only prob now is that the gear is now out of whack. EM drunder gear is better then HM gear in some cases.  CM was really the only thing that was definitive for better gear.  Of course since skyshrine is coming out, maybe this will give them the rest of the month to test and maybe fix things before we break into the new content.  Here's to hoping.

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Windstalker wrote:

Hey folks,

I noticed there had been questions on exactly when Critical Mitigation will be removed from PvE items and Crit Bonus removed from NPCs. We have decided to push the change live with the Hotfix tomorrow.

If anything changes on this front, I'll stop in, but tomorrow's the day!

P.S. PvP Crit Mitigation will still exist on items.

yay

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The primary issue with this change is in most cases Drunder EM gear outclasses Kael HM gear.  Where drunder EM gear is significantly easier to get.

CM was a factor of itemization and in many cases an item that dropped off the harder of the 2 encounters was better only cause of the CM assigned on it.  Once the CM is removed, the easier encounter drops better loot.

I'm not sure why Holy doesn't understand this is a problem for her game.

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Mindsway@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I don't see why they couldn't just give us a voucher for a new red rune to replace the CM one instead of sticking us with a lousy one that few will find useful.  However I'm still looking forward to this despite the inevitability of SOE screwing this up somehow.  I don't know why they even bother with test servers, they never listen to feedback.

It's because it's not just one rune.  It's as many as 7 red and 7 yellow adornments affected.  Why should we get as many as 14 stat increases instantly, for free, just because another stat got zeroed-out?

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Nrgy wrote:

Atan@Unrest wrote:

The primary issue with this change is in most cases Drunder EM gear outclasses Kael HM gear.  Where drunder EM gear is significantly easier to get.

CM was a factor of itemization and in many cases an item that dropped off the harder of the 2 encounters was better only cause of the CM assigned on it.  Once the CM is removed, the easier encounter drops better loot.

I'm not sure why Holy doesn't understand this is a problem for her game.

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With all the complaints about this and the request for a reimbursement or a refund for CM adorns - NOT EVERYONE WANTED HEALTH. But we got not comment from dev. about this and they just pushed it to live in the face of all the unhappiness and comments.

If this is the way they game is going to be run -- maybe it is time to move on - I am realy angry and upsset about the adornments.

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Maroger wrote:

 I am realy angry and upsset about the adornments.

The adornments are a noise issue for me.  I'm more upset about the itemization basically saying why progress kael HM when farming drunder EM is better and far easier.

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Kunaak wrote:

Ryptide@Permafrost wrote:

Level 92 with no crit mit requirements, will make HM Drunder, a walk in the park, for most guilds.

hardly - the strats on half the fights are no push over. you still got some real work ahead of you.

All the strats are easy, but I'll rephrase..

Level 92 with no crit mit requirements, will make HM Drunder, a walk in the park, for any guild that can follow directions.  4 or 5 of the encounters in all of Drunder may give them fits for a bit but, they won't be forced to farm old zones for critmit anymore.  They will be able to spend more time, focused on progression with crit chance being the only benchmark.

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Ryptide@Permafrost wrote:

Level 92 with no crit mit requirements, will make HM Drunder, a walk in the park, for most guilds.

This is why they did level 92 with no CM requirements.

Remember that whole thing about getting more people into upper eschelon zones? Instead of, I don't know, working on the actual game, they opted to bandaid fix it with 2 levels and removing a 4 year old game mechanic.

They pushed PoW out too early, not enough folks were close enough to completion of Drunder HM, they watered Drunder down until they couldn't water it down much more, and now they're removing what had become an (unfortunately) important gating mechanic and popped up 2 levels so that lesser guilds and players could do it.

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